Sleepless in IIM-A

Tuesday, November 15, 2005

A dream.

Disclaimer: I wrote this right after the summer placement process. Originally, I didnt want to put this up, until someone pasted the whole post as a comment on one of my earlier posts. So I thought, what the heck, let me post it myself. Please note that this is just my personal opinion and doesnt represent anything or anyone else.


The most important event in the second term occurs right after the mid terms - the summer placements.

Now, summer placements might not have been such a big deal, if only there hadnt been a thing called as an I-bank. I-banks or investment banks, for the uninitiated, are organizations which facilitate IPO issues, mergers and acquisitions, and trading for institutional clients. And in the process they make insane amounts of money.

They also pay their employees insane amounts of money.

I probably dont have to mention that all those record breaking salaries offered to IIM-A grads that you read about in the papers are all by I-banks.

To begin explaining to you, the effect these banks have on the IIM-A psyche, let me start with the way placements are structured in IIM-A.

There are hundreds of companies which come on campus for the summer placements. To let the students pick the best companies and let the best companies have a shot at the largest pool of students first, the placement committee of IIM-A (placecomm) has, over the years, divided the list of companies into two or three categories and allotted them slots during which they could interact with and interview the students. These slots are called Day 1, Day 2 and Day 3. The categorization is usually done by students on the basis of the quality of job, reputation, pay and career prospects.

For example, red hot companies like HLL and P&G companies would appear on Day 1, and students would die to get placed in companies coming on Day 1. Vindi Banga was placed on Day 1 with HLL.

Well, that was a few decades back.

A few years back, one particular Director working in a big bank in New York, with the idea of contributing back to his alma mater, convinced his superiors and colleagues to travel 15000 kilometers to Ahmedabad, to recruit analysts and associates for his bank.

The salary offered was more than five times greater than those offered by the Day 1 companies. Placements were for locations in Wall Street. It seemed a no-brainer for this bank to be given the first shot at interviewing the students.

And so, Day Zero was born.


"Hey Bharthi, how many people have been placed today ?"

"Many. But there are at least 20 more who are yet to be placed."

"Shit. They are gonna be awfully upset if they spill over to Day 1."

"Dont worry. Day zero's not over yet. We can still hope to place everyone."

"Yes. Lets hope."

Bharthi's cell rang and she moved to answer the call. Immediately after that, she yelled out a few names - her voice barely audible over the din in the room.

He looked around CR-10. 200 people impeccably dressed in suits. Some of them joking around, some smiling with satisfaction, some others in a pensive mood, and some with a worried expression. The tension in the room wafted through the noise into the atmosphere.


Information Asymmetry is a concept encountered in microeconomics. It refers to the situation when one party knows more than the other party about a product being transacted. For instance, a person who purchases life insurance would be better informed about his health than his insurance agent. Needless to say, it is in the insurance company's interest to do as much as possible in order to reduce the information gap.

When the final placements happen, companies have an important number to base their selections on - the CGPA. But when the recruitments for summers happen, the number's not known yet, or the time period is too short for someone to be judged purely by the CGPA. In such a situation, various factors play a role in deciding a candidate's suitability for the job, one of which is the student's past profile.

As far as the students are concerned, a summer internship in an i-bank means bypassing one and half years of hard-core, maddening competition to secure an i-banking career abroad.

Its a short cut.

"People, please be quiet", Bharthi's voice tried to make its presence felt in the noise. "The offer window opens now. I am gonna announce the names."

In a second, silence enveloped the room. This was the moment people were waiting for - the announcement of the final offers.

"Rajshree Dutta..."

One by one names were announced to heavy thumping of desks. The smiling student went to the adjacent room where documents had to be signed.

As time went by, tension grew in all those faces whose names havent been announced yet.

Will I be pushed to Day 1? Do I have to go through this stressful process again tomorrow?
That was the thought uppermost in everyone's minds. And when their names finally came, a huge wave of relief washed away the anxiety.

When the last name was announced, a roar went around the room. The celebrations began...


The number of I-banks coming down to IIM-A has grown in the last few years, and a lot of "bulge-bracket" banks come down these days. Banks like Lehmann Brothers, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and Citigroup are usually expected to hire IIM-A students for summers.

Its funny how almost everyone on campus is suddenly interested in finance. The amount of preparation that goes into a day zero interview simply cannot be not described here. (It would go into my book though).

There is however a sad angle to this. There are over 200 deserving students here in IIM-A and the number of such offers are less than a half of that. A lot of people are left out.

Its tragic to see people attach so much importance to Day Zero that they are shattered when they dont make it to these jobs. Some of them are hit so hard that they are not able to muster the strength to continue with the stressful placement process and lose out on jobs on offer the next day.

People change their perceptions about others. Seeds of bitterness are sown.


A hundred hands slapped him on his back.

"Good show man !"

"Congrats, dude !"

Smiling, he went to the other room. A bunch of placecommers were sitting around the placecomm head. The placecomm head looked at a sheet of paper and said "Kotak. Do you accept?"

"Yes, I do."

A placecommer came to him with a sheet of paper. She gestured at a spot and asked him to sign there. As he took the sheet from her, he smiled at her.

"I guess, with me, everyone's been placed on day zero."

"Yes. Its been a great year."

"What about all the companies which are coming tomorrow?"

"I am afraid, we'll have to turn them down. There just are no students left for those jobs."

"Just for curiosity sake, what are the companies that are coming down tomorrow?"

"Oh, all those foreign I-banks. Foreign placements are out of fashion these days. I guess, they wouldnt be coming down next year onwards."

"Hmm." he said.

He looked down at the sheet, scribbled his signature and under it, the date.

The date read, "10th November, 2015".


"I dont understand why people get depressed when they dont make it into Day Zero companies. There are some terrific companies coming down for Day 1. The kind of roles they offer are extremely exciting. Did you look at the pay most of these companies are offering? They are awesome. And it can only get better. There would come a day when students of IIM-A would reject foreign i-bank offers for jobs in India. There'd be a day when every IIM-A graduate would decide to stay back and contribute to India. There'd be a day when foreign i-banks would be relegated to Day 1. Ten years down the line, we're gonna see it happen. Damn, its been happening around us as we speak. Indian companies are flexing their muscles abroad by acquiring companies left and right. They are taking over foreign companies which are as much as three times their size. Indians are shaping the corpoate world all by themselves. Take this to its logical conclusion, and you'd see that India is as good a place to be in as any." - Ashwin.

234 Comments:

  • wow...its awesome!!
    the way u put across ur message - in such a light and humourous vein! I really hope one day the picture portrayed by you becomes a reality!!

    u really write well. its been worth the wait :))

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:25 PM  

  • Possibly one of ur most serious posts..but it does make one stand bolt upright and actually notice things as they are.. ..i'm just taken over by ur profound thoughts...

    By Blogger shunyata, at 9:52 PM  

  • This reminds me of the lottery that happens at Hyderabad Public School every year. Anxious parents with applications for kindrgarten - all names in a pot. Each time a name is called, one family jumps up pumps the fist in the air and there is hugging all around. The others anxiously wait... till the last seat is filled up. Then a whole lot of disappointed faces go out looking for Geetanjali... Well in IIMA it is the recruiters who go out disapponted. Good to see your post after a long time.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:41 PM  

  • He was abused.He was ridiculed. and he was laughed upon. Almost every day of his stay. But today was not one of those. Noone noticed his pathetic dress sense today. All his sad jokes were ignored. All his expletives were forgiven. For today, was special. Since his arrival such a day had come, but twice or thrice. Today, he had displayed a prowess, far beyond lesser mortals.
    The dark hued boy who would otherwise be nothing more than the idiot who sat to next to me and knew nothing about flirting with gurls, has done it again. Today, Oka wrote again. Finally.
    All i can say is - Respect! the rare occurence when u get that from me. If you want more of that, write again... soon. And let us take care of your infantile worries... :)

    By Anonymous Ravi Chhedi Srinivasan, at 11:55 PM  

  • by the way, awesome blog... very gud issue handled in a very subtle manner. Gusshow...

    By Anonymous Ravi Chhedi Srinivasan, at 11:56 PM  

  • hey oka,

    gu'sshow !

    i've been a regular at your blog for a while now. and man, you give me plenty of reasons to slog m.a.o. next yr to make it to an iim.

    dontn let the ink dry dude. some wonderful stuff to be found on yer blog pages.

    (psst.. any one gonna share a few get_into_iima_tips with rookies?)

    :D

    vypr.

    By Blogger Aditya T, at 2:28 AM  

  • hey karthik...u really have a way with teh pen man..though a serious post, this one can surely b termed as one of ur best blogs in terms of substance and emotions.. and ya lets hope,soon teh indian companies will take over teh day zero slot...

    By Blogger arch, at 11:05 AM  

  • btw, change ur location, u birdbrain... u dont live in hyderabad anymore... dont take the smile away from the gulti's who thought they had finally got rid of u...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:27 PM  

  • btw, change ur location, u birdbrain... u dont live in hyderabad anymore... dont take the smile away from the gulti's who thought they had finally got rid of u...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:27 PM  

  • nice post mannnnnnnn. really great.. nice style of writing too

    By Blogger God Krishna, at 9:51 PM  

  • Its tragic to see people attach so much importance to Day Zero that they are shattered when they dont make it to these jobs. Some of them are hit so hard that they are not able to muster the strength to continue with the stressful placement process and lose out on jobs on offer the next day.

    People change their perceptions about others. Seeds of bitterness are sown.


    Totally agree with the first paragraph, having experienced it myself ... and hope the second does not happen.

    By Anonymous flexi, at 10:21 PM  

  • Totally great article...

    2015 ehh... that's a conservative estimate I'd say...

    can't wait for the book!!!

    By Anonymous Zit, at 10:24 PM  

  • An awesome post..worth the wait..wont say much more cause i cant hope to ever express thots in a such a fab manner..u rock dude!! Resprct

    By Anonymous shobhit, at 10:31 PM  

  • very well written :)

    By Blogger Raghini, at 10:50 PM  

  • A very complex scenario put across in a very harmless, subtle n optimistic manner <:)>

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  • awesum post!! and hope that happens one day :)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:48 AM  

  • Hi Oka
    really nice 1
    but surely this malaise is far bigger than it seems...
    i sometimes wonder whether the IIM MBA degree as such really makes as big a value-add as the jump in the market value of the candidate post-IIM. It may just be an easier way out for the I-Bank's HR to locate the best talent.

    By Blogger maud marsh, at 1:58 PM  

  • A few things... day0 is not on basis of quality, but pay and international posting. A lot of jobs coming later have better quality of work than a trader's imho. JnJ Med for instance, had a coupla mouth watering projects

    Second, past profile is an inaccurate thing to say. Sex, past academic performance, and past institute reputation is about it.

    You say that Day0 was born with ibanks. I hear that so was cgpa.

    btw, I've tagged you for some 20 arbit points crap. Try it :p

    By Blogger Vishy, at 10:40 PM  

  • great one dude. finally some backing for ppl like me who start in the process on day 1.

    By Blogger raven, at 7:29 PM  

  • hey oka!
    ssup?? remember me?? me from annanagar...well...great blogs as usual...and read something abt the book in ur blog....any comments on that mister?? ive been a long time by ur tail for the book! best wishes with it, sir!

    By Anonymous Rohit S, at 12:33 AM  

  • awesome post.. very well written.. just gets the message across so well...

    By Blogger Neha, at 3:10 PM  

  • moral of the story : you didnt get through on day 0 ??

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:55 AM  

  • where is the pallu baby post? i think its grossly unethical to remove her post coz it was a masterpiece!

    we want pallu baby!!
    we want pallu baby!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:00 PM  

  • V Well written Oka. You put your point across subtly, with the usual dollops of humour. Wish people would start looking at what they want to do and achieve instead of getting swept away by the crowd/glamour/etc..

    Nice to see a post again, keep writing!

    By Blogger Suze, at 1:36 PM  

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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:08 PM  

  • i read one article of Dr. Gopalakrishnan, of Chairman TATA Sons about switchover between jobs title as DESRVE BEFORE YOU DESIRE nice one which seems similar to ur case u need to assess urself than find for new jobs so it doesnt matter day 0 or day 1 u should think it will be bad luck of that company who is not taking u.BTW ur pallu baby was too good.

    By Blogger RAHUL, at 9:27 AM  

  • Great to see you blog again :) I agree with you - a decade more and many Indian firms will be the envy of the world.

    By Blogger FiFo, at 4:07 PM  

  • hay RK can you share with us that article of Dr.Gopalakrishnan?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:10 AM  

  • yes ann. I kept it on my blog

    By Blogger RAHUL, at 10:57 AM  

  • awesome...is the only word...

    Niraj

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:09 PM  

  • Can we use this post on the www.iimaalumni.org website?

    Mail me at rashmi_b@yahoo.com and let me know

    By Blogger Rashmi Bansal, at 11:32 PM  

  • hey
    really nice post
    but do u urself have the courage to
    reject an I bank offer if u r not interested in tht

    if so then its worth wting it otherwise not

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:19 AM  

  • nice work from the pen stroke ...captivating , flowing and really enchanting ... vb

    By Anonymous vaibhav, at 3:21 AM  

  • warning: caustic comments ahead.

    the whole point of ibanks being hyped is not surprising at all. it stems from the fact that IIMs are hyped and all the geeks who study there do have at the back of their minds about the article they read somewhere about a stud earning the highest foreign salary every in the history of bschools in india. they start nurturing a secret desire to be that guy!

    first of all you dont have the courtesy to write a public blog. you write about some pallu baby , then apologize and then delete both the posts. is this an undercover CIA operation or a blog? take the famous example of gaurav sabnis who had the guts to stand up him posts. you just say things arbitraly and then go back when they dont seem that bright!

    and this lady,rashmi who is keen on using your posts has her own personal propoganda. though most of her articles are good and make complete sense, somewhere i am feeling she has an complex for not getting the usual IIMA job and got stuck with something silly called JAM. she goes to great lengths to tell ppl that she is happy and its the ppl who are at the ibanks who are total suckers. well, if she was placed at an ibank herself , i dont see her refusing to accept the offer. the whole point is that is was NEVER made an offer. and same seems to be the case with you my friend. you had all this big dollar dreams while entering iims and with the summers process they all have come crashing down. you are NO different that the ppl who are placed in ibanks. the only difference is that they are GOOD ENOUGH to be placed!!! thats the bitter truth and get over it instead of washing your dirty linen in public.

    with your stupid posts you had become the laughing stock of whole of IIMA and other bschools! now putting up some stupid disclaimers wont help! whats done is done!

    besides, in such articles its always better to tell ppl which boat YOU are sailing in! for all we know if you get an ibank offer in final placements, rare thing to happen, you will pounce on it!!! dont try to be the knowitall cool monk of IIM . you are there for money and you just seem disappointed that ppl are making more than you!

    besides, the ibanks "analysts" should be ashamed of themselves. giving such stupid jobs to iim graduates?!?!?!?!

    whatever written in the article is common knowledge. if you didnt know it , then you are an idiot and dont deserve to be there! if you knew it and still went ahead with it you thought that you would be able to get that coveted ibank placement.brag to all your friends that you are going to NY. send pics from the rockafeller centre back to your family and friends showing them how happy you are!

    its over dude! GET OVER IT!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:39 AM  

  • @ Anonymous,
    Thanks for your comments.

    However a little more maturity while reading, would go a long way in alleviating the apparent indignation you seem to be experiencing.

    There's still time. You can still grow up. :)

    By Blogger Oka the irrepressible, at 12:20 PM  

  • havent read that essay of an comment but even i would like to know why the pallu baby post was deleted without any noise being made about it?
    i think look at yourself before telling others to grow up! making seemingly rude comments about your TAs in the public domain. not to mention your friends go on to add that shes FAT! makin cheap jokes like "gravity of the situation" and what not! not only that but pretending to be her and making passes at you!?!??! which decent girl wont be outraged?????? instead of apologizing to her in the public domain you slyly delete the posts and pretend like nothing happened? As a girl , i can tell you that its not a great feelin to be mocked in public like this and from the looks of it you seem like a pervert! and you know the usual tumhari maa behen hoti to kya ...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:03 PM  

  • Okay, now thats not fooling anyone. :))
    Vishy, if thats you, I am gonna kick your ass.

    By Blogger Oka the irrepressible, at 9:11 PM  

  • For those who havent yet visited Vishy's blog, here it is -> supervish.blogspot.com

    By Blogger Oka the irrepressible, at 9:17 PM  

  • dude, your blog is the first on google blog search for the keyword IIM.

    way to go! ;)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:37 PM  

  • Me Oka:

    We are the legal counsel for the aforementioned Vishy. We speak here, on behalf of our client.

    1) He do no post anon, he says things openly, without a veil

    2) a couple of points that anon has mentioned, Vishy has already argued out with you. He saw no need to post this publicly then, he does not now.

    3) Just because our client used Gaurav Sabnis as a counter example to your spinelessness, doesnt make him Mr Anon

    So now, as is your wont, you sir, shall retract your comment, and send our client an apology letter, failing which, he shall choose to take a course of action - legal or otherwise - as he deems fit

    Regards

    M Mizaru, Mikazaru, Mazaru
    Solicitors

    By Blogger Vishy, at 4:27 PM  

  • besides, in such articles its always better to tell ppl which boat YOU are sailing in!

    One would have expected the writer of this line to reveal his/her identity.

    By Anonymous flexi, at 6:48 PM  

  • whoever this guy vishy is....ur blog sux big time....no content at all...as for the legal counsel for this guy vishy...u pple need to consult a psychiatrist.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:18 AM  

  • interesting comments dude :)))

    classic case of pots calling kettles black.. somehow i dont see any of these dudes posting with their real names!

    :p

    By Blogger Suze, at 12:20 PM  

  • "People change their perceptions about others. Seeds of bitterness are sown."

    Very very well put. 2015 is not very long away I hope.

    By Blogger Bhars, at 5:03 PM  

  • Hey Oks....Dont give a tiny rat's ass to these anon bloggers who takin ur case....u doin a kickass job man.....just give ur best..screw d rest !! cheers nd happy new year.....

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  • Update ur blog or 1 visitor less!

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  • kid you know how to write.the fact that ur studying at iim should be enuf to make me hate you,put it down to good ole jealousy.

    but the thing is every single article you have written is like wow.dude why dont you try ur hand at writing a book or scripting a movie or something.man absolutely brilliant.

    By Anonymous i hate myself, at 2:06 AM  

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    Atleast one blog-update per week,
    ppl readin ur posts wish to seek.

    So kindly pay heed to our earnest plea,
    coz Laughing our asses off we wish to be.

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  • I guess you are lost in iima activity that is why no post from long time..............

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  • whoa!!!some very good writing there...very very enjoyable...
    a few glimpses at the country's premier insti(s)???
    grrreat!!!
    and yea....i share ur dream of seeing stud(ents)s[read the country's cream of megabrains]...movin on to indian companies and not the much hyped moneyspinners abroad!!

    Oh yea..ur style of signin off is an affirmative wwwhhack to all those ppl that crib about talented minds migrating to the american dream!!!
    bravo!

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  • Amn't sure what was more interesting the blog or the comments. Anyways hope to read your book soon... Actually came across your blog while trying to find material about Sarath Babu & Gaurav...Looks like apart from joining the Ibanks (whatever that means) you guys are capable of doing lot more creative things ...way to go ...Some of you guys try to take "the path less travelled"

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